Why 407 Mail Trucks Have Caught Fire Since 2014
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The Grumman LLV has been the US Postal Service's humble steed for nearly 40 years- but there's a problem. America's mail truck is fraught with problems: from low gas mileage, horrible comfort, and the fact that it CATCHES ON FIRE!! So why hasn't America found a worthy replacement? Watch and find out.
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  • Donut Media
    Donut Media

    Big shout out to my boy Taylor in Tacoma, the coolest Postman I know 👊

    • Dani Syx
      Dani Syx

      nhra didn't outlaw it but it doesn't have the safety equipment required for the times it runs. (the demon) lots of cars suffer this issue because everyone blows their wad on the car and not safety equipment that is CLEARLY outlined in their rules.

    • DitzyDoo

      @Bill Kerr unfortunately my Sister-In-Law drives one of these daily on her route. thankfully her garage took the time to mod the fleet. Just 2.5 years and she can hang-up her mail bag as it were.

    • Bill Kerr
      Bill Kerr

      I remember when this "new" long life postal truck was in the news. If you think back to US vehicle build quality in the early '80s it is easy to see why commentaries at the time were highly skeptical that a 20 year lifespan was realistic. As it turned out these trucks did last 20 years. Grumman was the right contractor for the job because at that time they were manufacturing durable delivery vans similar to the UPS/Fedex trucks we see today. For all I know they still do. Now let's jump ahead to 2009 when the trucks were scheduled to be replaced. Can you think of anything else that was going on back then? It has a name. I'll give you a minute. (HINT: it rhymes with "the great recession") So anyway the things needed to be replaced or at least seriously maintained but the part of government that writes checks had decided they no longer want to spend money on the post office and even actively worked to undermine postal service, as crazy as that sounds. Maybe it can finally get handled now and the current government can buy some new trucks, hopefully electric. And Ford has announced there will be an electric version of the transit van.

    • DitzyDoo

      The three rural delivery LLC here in Creston, California are contracted Nissans and Fords Transits.

    • Volvo 740 Ram
      Volvo 740 Ram

      Do up to speed on Ram 1500 please

  • Christopher Chronister Jr
    Christopher Chronister Jr

    Unsung hero’s of the roads. Trust me, they get a lot of our important stuff and supplies around as well! Rain, sleet, shine or snow. They are always out delivering.

  • C Mott
    C Mott

    most of these postal trucks have diesel engines...

  • Kyle Witter
    Kyle Witter

    F's in the chat for Doug

  • Matthew Zepess
    Matthew Zepess

    My area code is 407 and obviously the same mail trucks so everytime I pass this video on recommended I’m like wtf is going on with the mail trucks by me...

  • White Star Gaming
    White Star Gaming

    I like 1959 Plymouth

  • Beezer Twelve Washingbeard
    Beezer Twelve Washingbeard

    The offset wheels on the front don't make for good snow driving. Since the front tires don't line up with the rear tires, the vehicle has to forge four tire tracks through the snow instead of two, and it's rear wheel drive.

  • Thomas Jearson
    Thomas Jearson

    Karsan won!

    • Thomas Jearson
      Thomas Jearson

      Oskosh apparently..my bad. Quite an apearance change...

  • Pc Gameplay
    Pc Gameplay

    7:37 2.16 usd$ per gallon is expensive? In Norway 1 gallon of gasoline would often cost about 8 usd $ and that's no crazy covid pricing or something like that. It is the normal price here so that's why many people here in Europe don't drive cars with massive engines like they do in the US.

  • Marcus Cook
    Marcus Cook

    Ahh, the old Pontiac Iron Duke. The dual internal/external combustion ability was a feature, not a bug! In all seriousness though, it was a very reliable (if also very unrefined) engine and the fires were specific to only the Fiero and the LLV themselves as far as I'm aware and the fires are not specifically the fault of the engine. Tons of S10s and other random small GMS had these without issue.

  • Kimani Brooks
    Kimani Brooks

    Now I see mostly chrysler mini-vans doing mail in chicago.

    • Andy Davis
      Andy Davis

      I'm in the Philly burbs and they've had sprinter vans for a few years.

  • Scott E
    Scott E

    let me help you out here, That 9MPG is a result of stop and go with a lot of engine shutdown and startup and idle time. You can NOT expect any vehicle to get their listed estimated mileage under those conditions, and I doubt that electric hybrids will be anything but more expensive and more problematic. As for the Iron Duke, it's not a bad engine and you aren't being reasonable in your critique, you're blaming the engine when the issue is the placement of accessories is the cause. The USPS is more the issue than the LLV/ The LLV is the optimum size, Bigger is NOT the solution. And EVERYTHING I have heard from people who drive and repair the LLV is that it's a good design and very fixable. I think you're just making stuff up

  • Darcey McFarlane
    Darcey McFarlane

    Oshkosh has one it now but the postal van looks like the first one with a tall windscreen and a low bonnet/hood

  • Twizted Psyko
    Twizted Psyko

    The new LLV is a mercedes

  • Twizted Psyko
    Twizted Psyko

    The usps have there own mechanics and shops very rarely do they send there llv's to an outside mechanics shop

  • Alex Chavez
    Alex Chavez

    Bro just LS swap the LLV🤣

  • Mateen Saleem
    Mateen Saleem

    waiting for the update now

  • Wayne Bakken
    Wayne Bakken

    I would expect the Oshkosh/ Ford transit van to win solely based on it already has infrastructure in place to make the basic parts of it so that would get them on the road faster.

  • ian

    Who's here after they have new trucks

  • Greg 612AB
    Greg 612AB

    The government is trying its best to prove to its citizens that it’s inefficient.

  • Justin French
    Justin French

    I want a Grumman llv, load its cargo space with a 1200hp v8, and make a drag llv

  • Chris Benson
    Chris Benson

    This show is like the Buzzfeed of car talk. Is this a show about cars for children?

  • Corvus

    How many of those exactly 666 dislikes do you think came from Satan himself?

  • rickpaulos

    9 mpg? Better than that Dodge Deamon.

  • Terry Eck
    Terry Eck

    You called it, Oshkosh got the contract. arstechnica.com/cars/2021/02/usps-picks-a-new-mail-truck-and-no-they-wont-all-be-electric/

  • William Taylor
    William Taylor

    Anyone here after the new unveiling?

  • jsorgi44215

    It was announced today that Oshkosh got the contract but ford is not part of the collab, no word why ford is out of the deal

    • Dillon H
      Dillon H

      Ford still may be part of it. When Oshkosh was asked about whether or not Ford will have anything to do with their mail truck, they refuse to comment.

  • JoeyTheFoxxo

    Gas is $2.16 over there? It’s like $2.79 here in NJ.


    Man James it's just different 😅

  • BuildingwithTrees

    We can't use already produced rhd vans from 3rd world countries like: Japan, Australia, or England. Oshkosh got the contract btw. But gets 10 years to produce 50k vans.

  • Peter Rabbit
    Peter Rabbit

    Time for an update and maybe a B2B one day on the Oshkosh mail truck!

  • Mark Nelson
    Mark Nelson

    Naild the prediction that Oshkosh and Ford would win the contract, I was rooting for the underdog Workhorse...

    • jsorgi44215

      Ford isn't part of the Oshkosh deal

  • PA551ON

    February 2021 Update: Karsan & Morgan Olson won the contract. The only real noticable change in the design is that it's all white now instead of white and black.

  • R4M0N

    Oshkosh just got awarded the contract www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/us-postal-service-awards-contract-to-launch-multi-billion-dollar-modernization-of-postal-delivery-vehicle-fleet-301233896.html

  • Greely

    I have returned to this video because Oshkosh was chosen as the LLV replacement

  • Ty Dryzo
    Ty Dryzo

    Oshkosh/Ford got the contract btw

  • Heinrich Schmitz
    Heinrich Schmitz

    I've been seeing those same mail vans ever since I was a baby back in 2006. I'm now 14 and I still see the vans lol. I thought they'd replace their mail vans with the European Mercedes vans that do almost every job in Europe.

  • Dhruv Kumar
    Dhruv Kumar

    $2.16 per gallon is too much? we are paying $5.26 per gallon in India.

  • LoughZ

    And Oshkosh is the winner!!

  • Axel Cortez
    Axel Cortez

    and the oshkosh won

  • Jesus Jimenez
    Jesus Jimenez

    Update: Oshkosh has won the contract. No word if Ford will be involved as of Feb. 2021

  • 308HIT

    Guy has no idea what he's talking about.

  • Zarrex

    New mail truck just got announced get hyped boys

  • Johnny MacDonald
    Johnny MacDonald

    And today February 23 2021 Oshkosh and ford won the contract.

  • Average Joey
    Average Joey

    It happened! Oshkosh won the contract.

  • whitechapel6669

    Oshkosh won the 10year contract

  • dave cee
    dave cee

    Actually they need to completely dismantle the postal service because it has become too political . We need to contract mail delivery service out to people that live here in our towns that we know . I remember years ago there were people we knew that had part time jobs using their own vehicles to deliver our mail , one of them was a township policeman another one was a lunch lady at our grade school .

  • sabarjp

    Oshkosh won the contract for the new USPS delivery vehicle as of the time of this comment.

  • The Windfire
    The Windfire

    And here is a reason why the USPS is in debt.

  • TheKajunkat

    The whole idea of the LLV was that it was supposed to be modular. the corrosion resistant aluminum bodies were designed to be removable and just placed on a new chassis as technology advanced. I guess the USPS forgot about that part.

  • Snarky . Live
    Snarky . Live

    S-10 pickups.

  • Martin Cooper
    Martin Cooper

    transit cos it can easliy be sold on and no one would know

  • Flakjacket96

    8:27 Didnt realize 0.29% of all the mail trucks can be considered "alot".

  • Kevin Linville
    Kevin Linville

    You mentioned the LandCruise & Land Rover evolved from the WWII Jeep. Would you consider looking into how this happened. I heard a story from an Automotive engineer. Not sure if this is accurate. He mentioned how the US sent start up teams to assist Japan in the Automotive manufacturing process. If haven't ever verified this. But it may be an interesting story.

  • Collin Hope-Fasching
    Collin Hope-Fasching

    $2.16 is cheap compared to here it's $2.89 or $3.06

  • Sid 6.7
    Sid 6.7

    Every one of those contestants are going to suck in the long run. Electric cars and hybrids are still in the "novelty" stage. They suck on horsepower for the average American, the mileage isn't all that great and repairs can be prohibitively expensive not to mention that they don't go very far per charge. The only one of the three that even has half a chance is the Ford transit but even that's shakey at best.

  • Tomita The Perverted
    Tomita The Perverted

    Someone: what would you want from every mail truck design in the future? Me: .... *S L I D I N G D O O R S*

  • Kj Verhage
    Kj Verhage

    I also think it would be cool when they finally do phase-out the Grumman llv, if they go on sale for the General Public. I would love to replace the Iron Duke 4 cylinder with a high output 4.3 L Vortec V6 out of the S10 Xtreme it would give it more power but it wouldn't be stupid crazy fast plus, it would look like it actually belongs in there.

  • Kj Verhage
    Kj Verhage

    In some markets the USPS as actually phased out the Grumman llvs for, Mercedes Metris right-hand-drive hand drive vans. My sister just turned down the opportunity to have one on her mail route, it would cost nothing but she would lose her gas money they pay her I believe it was that she got. So she went and bought another Honda Element, that's what she uses on her rural mail route.

  • Hazzalofta

    Get some postie bikes you wusses

  • Fig Bat
    Fig Bat

    Awesome video i love my cousin Nolan.this is probably the only vehicle on a mail truck

  • George Riggs
    George Riggs

    God, why am I watching this? So much misinformation.

  • Tipical Gamer 42
    Tipical Gamer 42

    Where I am, we actually have at least one ford transit van in service for the postal service

  • Dario Impini
    Dario Impini

    Ima estimate that the postal service carries like 95% junk mail. You'd think that spending 9 miles per gallon to have millions of trees cut down, printed as junk mail, shipped by these trucks, and then immediately thrown away would wrankle environmentalists. But not a peep. I've literally gone to the post office to tell them to stop delivering ALL mail to my address. I don't want ANY of it. EVER. As literally 99% of it is junk mail. They said they couldn't do that. Evidently it's their job to give me things that I have to throw away.

  • KidWithAnMP5

    My city has been using Ford Transits for at least 5 years now

  • Garrett Powell
    Garrett Powell

    The iron duke was never in the Fiero GT. The GT was strictly the 2.8l V6

  • Stefan Frankel
    Stefan Frankel

    Have you listened to those idiots drive? Hrrmmm, urnnt, hrrmmm, uurnt, hrrmmm, urnnt, hrrrmmm, urntt! It's no wonder they don't _all_ catch on fire.

  • Red Bull
    Red Bull

    4 wheel drive and non electric would be good up here in the north.

  • WHO9119

    If i had to deliver mail in a Kia Soul I would go postal, I can barely fit all my packages now if ihad a choice it would be the workhorse or the 1st one, Ford is way to small.

  • Ted Usernameunknown
    Ted Usernameunknown

    I still miss the DJ5! Seriously though, The fire thing is ridiculous. Put a guard on the electrics, upgrade and PM the tank or move it. The Government is probably still " Studying" This problem. I wouldn't be surprised if the new PC regime buys EV's. It ought to be an entertaining waste of money if nothing else.

  • Phattdawgg

    Based on recent changes in the government I would expect to see the Ford E-Transit get the bid.

  • Krummy Brinkle Jr.
    Krummy Brinkle Jr.

    USPS has decommissioned quite a few LLVs, trading them for Mercedes Metris vans. Even put their logo where the Mercedes logo would normally be.

  • yoo jastle
    yoo jastle

    They don't have AC because carriers need to put mail in mailboxes erected on the curbline so they have to drive with the window down.

  • Josh

    Beginning of this video: "Why don't we have a new one yet?" Actual mailman: Because fucking politics. Also we are the essence of bureaucracy.

  • Tadgh Downey
    Tadgh Downey

    Ford Transit Connect with a sliding door and AWD would be what I'd put forward but that is an external opinion

  • ncktbs

    never seen one in person in Nebraska im sure there are like 5 in the state but ive never seen one all the mail is delivered in the postal carriers personal vehicle

  • Tolohtony

    I've been a mechanic (technician now) in a Postal Vehicle Maintenance Facility since 02/1989. My mom said if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. I will say that there are some mistakes made in this video. They keep conflating pictures of LLV's with FFV's. LLV's are the vehicles that are more prone to catch on fire. Mostly due the fuel leaks, (cheap hoses on fuel line replacement parts) oil leaks and bad electrical connections at switches. Edit: It has actually been an excellent vehicle. Very easy to work on and pretty reliable for what it's put through.

  • Tolohtony

    I've been a mechanic (technician now) in a Postal Vehicle Maintenance Facility since 02/1989. My mom said if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. I will say that there are some mistakes made in this video. They keep conflating pictures of LLV's with FFV's. LLV's are the vehicles that are more prone to catch on fire. Mostly due the fuel leaks, (cheap hoses on fuel line replacement parts) oil leaks and bad electrical connections at switches.

  • master of reviews #1
    master of reviews #1

    Whenever I hear a obnoxious sound almost like a 2001 Hyundai Elantra with no mufflers on it I know it’s the mail truck 😂😂

  • noahjo8

    Seems like they’re starting to use Ford Transits in my city now

  • harrisoncoleman621

    407 fires of 123k....??? Since 2013?? Not bad to me.

  • bosshoss69lee

    it would be nice if the government would spend 6billion tax dollars on an American product, made in America, by Americans, not some abortion to be made in mexico partly by ford... honestly USPS needs to figure out how to MAKE MONEY, before they look for new trucks to deliver amazon packages below what it actually costs to deliver them, they also helped scm Trump out of his second term so usps can rot in hell regardless

  • Adam W
    Adam W

    Got the thumbs down because Donutmedia does not know what engine came in a fiero GT! and then there was the dumb a$$ comercial that dragged out for omaze.

  • P77777777

    Should have built them with 300 inline 6es like UPS did.

  • Frank Covington
    Frank Covington

    As a postal worker, my personal hope is for the electric truck. Two big reasons: A: I am sick and fucking tired of driving a truck that is literally so slow it's dangerous(I am convinced the LLV's can't reach 60mph). B: we literally drive MAYBE 20 miles per day total. I don't think a battery mileage of 300 miles is gonna be a problem for us. Oh, and then there's the fact that stopping and starting a gas engine is horrible for its lifespan. Electric motors literally do that as their primary function.

  • Liberty

    Im suprised they didnt put a 4bt cummins engine in them for the govt program thingy .gas to diesel swap they did with other vehicles

  • Wolf Seisenbacher
    Wolf Seisenbacher

    This may have been said already, but a correction: the Iron Duke was uses in the Fiero only in the 2M4, and the Indy Pace Car variants. all GTs used the 2.8L V6.

  • David Henderson
    David Henderson

    Around here there is 2 new mail Jeeps. I think they are private owed. They are right hand drive Jeep Wrangler. I know one of them has the back seats removed for more cargo. Both may have the back seats out. I have only got a close look at one of them. It is owned by a woman that had it special ordered. The other one I seen is driven by some man in the next town over.

  • Jed-Henry Witkowski
    Jed-Henry Witkowski

    Decommissioned in 84? Hardly. Several Arizona cities were using them until 92.

  • Jed-Henry Witkowski
    Jed-Henry Witkowski

    Built by AM Generall. A defense contractor.

  • Joe Rogers
    Joe Rogers

    I am surprised that they did not just replace the engine with one more fuel efficient. Bodies were aluminum and should last almost forever.

  • sol star
    sol star

    Will the mileage range change from 9 mpg ?

  • Bruce Snyder
    Bruce Snyder

    Thank you for properly pronouncing, "WILLISS", not 'Willy's'!

  • Lisa B
    Lisa B

    poor job

  • Jim Bennett
    Jim Bennett

    It's a Chevy S10 with a Grumman box bolted to the frame..

  • Scott Magoch
    Scott Magoch

    Was a push rod engine not overhead cam

  • Lewd Wav3z
    Lewd Wav3z

    Ik there where other postal vehicles used like the subaru legacy

  • K Dill
    K Dill

    Post office sucks. Worked for them, terrible job. Quit faster than it took to get in....benfits??? After having to sit behind people , prob for 10 years working up the ladder for 30yrs to deal with bureaucracy and b.s. nahhh I'm good, it ain't all about money.

  • chance bonneau
    chance bonneau

    i wanna sub. but those skits are absoutley unbareable

  • The Batman
    The Batman

    Is the Ford Transit a hybrid vehicle or fully electric vehicle?